Have any of you read the original Grimm's Fairy Tales? Or any books older than 100 years. The bible is loaded with rape and violence. EVERY book or play had it's share. Oedipus ring a bell? This is the oldest argument for censorship ever and about as valid today as when they burned down the library in Alexandria.

There is a difference between having an element in the story versus glorifying an element.

I think the most disturbing story in the Bible is when David goes wanger chopping. He is told to bring back 100 foreskins and he brings back 200. I want to know who the poor bastards were that had to go chopping after the battle.

incest would be great fantasy in this game I agree

this thread has turn into some moral thread and it not even part of a feature to the game anymore. Also when the game "do" come out, this story better come up as well, I like to see if it as good as a short story can get.

I know this particular thread has been ongoing for quite some time. But I feel that I should throw in my support for allowing the modding community to create whatever mods it wishes for the game, once V3 comes out.

Personally, I would be very, very happy to see some incest storylines created. I might even try to add in a couple of them, if it isn't too hard to do. The ability to create your fantasy and then live it out will be the amazing thing about this game once it's able to be modded. Bestiality is something I would also be intrigued with...tentacles are a form of that already, and I look to see some more direct forms on down the line.

A small list of what I would love to see:
- Incest
- More Bondage Possibilities (Minus the rape perhaps)
- Possible Bestiality
- Adultery scenes?
- Teen boy and older woman (Teen meaning 18-19)
- Further spanking instruments and ways to use them...(Eg...better controls for using them))

All I'm saying is...I don't think that the developers themselves should stray from what is considered 'common' in an adult game. But they can and should give us the tools, tutorials and ability to create whatever it is we want, and share it too.

This thread raises an interesting and disturbing question. We accept that games involving mass murder are commonplace. No one is actually killed. The characters respawn. The gore is just a special effect, no different from a Hollywood movie. When adding depictions of sexuality to the violence, where do you draw the line? Is there, in fact, a line that can be drawn?

There are some truly sick sons of bitches in the world. Child molesters. Animal torturers. Mass murderers. And, since there are also a great many blue noses and religious zealots, there are a vast number of people who would regard what you enjoy in your own bedroom, no matter what you enjoy in your bedroom, as a similar sickness or sin.

In a game where no one truly suffers, where by definition what is experienced is consensual - where the victims are a part of your own psyche, motivated by convincing animations, certainly, but truly alive only in your own mirror neurons - whatever you do, you do only to a part of yourself. The game is a way for you to more clearly visualise dreams, memories and fantasies you already entertain. Therefore what harm is there in them, no matter what they are?

With sufficient repetition perhaps games may break down someone's inhibitions against acting out a violent fantasy in real life. Nevertheless the vast number of war games played these days has not produce a generation of assassins and terrorists. http://interpersonalresearch.weebly.com ... olence.pdf provides good evidence to suggest that releases of violent videogames actually correlate with reductions in real world violence.

Speaking for myself, I am utterly repulsed by non-consensuality in any form, including acts with creatures or people who are unable or incompetent to consent. Consensual BDSM, on the other hand, is a turn-on. Due to personal circumstances I am seldom able to enjoy that turn-on in real life, so I find XSP a wonderful catharsis for urges that would otherwise leave me feeling unhappy with my lot in life.

If this game can do the same for people who are driven to do non-consensual things so that this can save real people from becoming their victims, it's pretty hard to argue that any line should be drawn at all, except for the purpose of careful labelling to avoid players getting squicked and to prevent the makers of the game running afoul of the authorities.

This is very well thought out. I read MasterAaran's reply yesterday (involving incest and bestiality) and the same thought crossed my mind, though I didn't come to a conclusion on how I felt about it. I think your words straightened out in my head what I naturally felt was true. I don't think there's a need for a line at all. Of course there will be certain things that just won't fly. There's going to be people out there that have minors in their fantasies and, if created, these will be non-shareable story lines. However, in the nature of the thread title, thinking hypothetically about something taboo, what kind of impact would allowing people to publicly share these types of story lines have? Would this encourage those kinds of behaviors in the real world... or vice versa?

I doubt it actually cause anything. You're (not you literally) the one in control of your urges. If you know it wrong then it wrong definitely. To limit someone else from sharing their own story is like saying you can't share any in the first place. Modding was meant to share or if the owner even want to share it. That from my perspective. Just to let you know I do live my life as 2 part. Reality and Fantasy.

I very much doubt that anything in a fantasy game/movie/other media would result in real actions being taken in the real world. For example, which is one I'm sure many have heard before; if you play Grand Theft Auto, you're not going to run out, steal cars and shoot random people. The only time you'll see someone actually take action in the real world is if they were prone to doing it in the first place. The media likes to use it as an excuse to stir up controversy. Controversy equals views and the more views the better their ratings. This all eventually leads to people believing the falsehoods and then casting judgement on the media other people create.

The wonderful thing about fantasy is that it can actually help with certain urges some people may get. For example, there was something that aired on TV in the last couple of months (in Canada anyway) where an admitted pedophile was talking about pedophilia in general. He said that even though he has those kinds of feelings, he knew it was morally and legally wrong. So he turned to other sources of media to satisfy any urges. This was usually in the form of stories and such. And just for clarification in case it's needed, the difference between "pedophile" and "sex offender" is if an action is taken or not. One is a fetish, the other is a crime. Sadly I can't remember the title of the show. It was something on CBC. It was very interesting.

When it comes right down to the mods, I'd just like to see a FULL list of what people have made available. A list of torrents is what I would suggest. That way no files are actually being hosted on this website and breaking any possible laws. I'll download what I like and avoid what I don't. You'll never hear me complain about someone's fetish. I enjoy living life without that kind of needless stress.

I'm happy to see that this is now garnering a bit more discussion.

Let me reiterate and clarify what I said in my post.

I believe that there should be no limits imposed by the developers on what sort of mods can and can not be created. They have the ability to say that they would not want a particular kind of mod to be mentioned here/posted here on the forum, but they shouldn't (And can't really) prevent someone from creating whatever they would like.

I'm also of the opinion that video games/movies/media...don't push people into doing things that they are not already prone to doing. And I heartily agree that methods such as games, artwork, stories...can all be ways for people to 'let out' their fantasies in a healthy, non-destructive way. It permits them to release their fetishes in ways that won't hurt anyone else.

I obviously have fetishes pertaining to incest and bestiality (But also to adultery/cuckolding, watersports, spanking, anal sex, creampies...and a hell of a lot more normal things). I also have ones centering around BDSM (I would like to see more opportunities to explore that fetish in the upcoming version). I also admit that I have a fetish for the younger end of the spectrum when it comes to hentai art, stories, etc, etc... and I might perhaps download or even create a story with a younger character. I would like the ability to share ANY mod that I create with anyone that wanted them...unrestricted.

This, again, is the gist of my feelings. The developers are going to allow people to mod the game. I salute them for this. More games need modding potential. It keeps them going for a lot longer than the normal life-span of a game. When it comes down to the mods though, HOW the users mod the game is out of the control of the developers. If someone wants to add a mod that someone else would consider horrifying...then they can, and NO ONE can stop them. The only restrictions can be on the distribution...and I don't think it should be restricted. I want to see an entire list of mods, and be able to decide for myself, as an adult, what I want to use.

I would actually suggest a mod-database forum be setup here. There can be 'post title' warning guidelines. For instance...Say I create a mod about incest. When I post it, I have to put 'warnings' in the title of the post so that people know what they are looking at:
Example: "MasterAaran - A Day in the Life of Aaran - [WARN][INCEST]"

One option for the above mod-databse idea is the following: I have seen forums where, when you create a post in a certain sub-forum, it gives you a 'form' to fill out above the normal posting form. This form COULD be setup for modding, with fields to fill out such as:
Mod Title
Mod Description
Mod Content (Check all that apply)
Mod Torrent Link (With a guide on how to create a torrent)
Mod File Upload (For acceptable mods)
Etc...

Alternatively, as Malachai suggested, a list of torrents would work well.

I know this rather devolved into a discussion of how it could be accomplished...but I think it's valid.